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Anyone out there know any Greek, Italian, or Latin? I have some short phrases I need translated and would appreciate any help and pointers to translation resources (other than the obvious machine translations online). The name of a friendly university Classics professor would be ideal.

UPDATE: Looks like I have at least two possible connections, and may even get some historical text woven into one section for verisimilitude. Thanks to everyone who responded.


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Aug. 10th, 2005 09:29 pm (UTC)
wish I could help -- I can still read Italian, but my composition sucks and my Latin has always sucked. What phrases are you looking for?

As for the Italian -- are you looking for Venetian Italian? 'Cause that'll be a lot harder to translate than "common" Italian, which is based more on Tuscan.
Aug. 10th, 2005 11:03 pm (UTC)
Technically, yeah, I'm looking for Venetian Italian and/or Neapolitan dialect. I've got a few words in the dialect from various sources, but ... I'll go with "standard" Italian if I have no choice.

Aug. 11th, 2005 02:06 am (UTC)
With Neapolitan, you can probably get away with Tuscan (standard), but not Venetian -- anyone who knows Italian will look at it and see something amiss; Venetian is a truly odd version, with carry-overs from the other side of the Adriatic.

That being said, I'd contact the Italian department at the UW -- they've almost certainly got someone who can help with Venetian.

As for the Greek -- what period? If it's renaissance Venice, I'm guessing fairly late medieval/renaissance Greek? Don't forget that's going to be quite a bit different from modern Greek, as well as Attic or Koine. That might be harder to chase down, but you could probably locate someone who can help online.

As for the latin -- what flavor? I mean, rather, what time period is the latin from? Medieval, Church, or Classical. Easier to chase down than the Greek, though.
Aug. 11th, 2005 04:34 am (UTC)
I've been keeping a file of common words in Italian and Venetian, and yeah, the differences are pretty clear to the eye. If you think I might be in luck at the UW, I'll give them a try. Unfortunately, they aren't in session, and I imagine a lot of the faculty is on vacation right now.

The Greek is a spell/invocation, so it can be ancient, since magical formulae can be expected to be more tradition-bound than everyday speech. What are Attic and Koine?

The Latin is Church or military Latin: think knightly orders. So it could be Church or Medieval, I suppose.
Aug. 11th, 2005 06:14 pm (UTC)
The good thing about the Italian is that everything you'd need can be done by email and the web -- and the UW isn't the only place that's probably got someone online about Venetian. And most of the faculty, unless they're off doing research, are probably available by email -- even if they're not teaching, they're still probably working.

Good idea with the Greek -- hell, you can pull in Homeric greek if you want, or even mix things a bit with a spell/invocation. Unless it's Christian in nature, that is. Koine is biblical Greek -- 1st/2nd century CE. Attic is what most people think of when you say classical Greek. It's the most common dialect you see in classical writings, because it's the language of the Attic peninsula and thus Athens, but there are others.

For knightly orders, I'd stick to Church latin -- medieval latin is a nasty little bastardization that ends up being used primarily in secular areas. And at least the church keeps it up, in some semblance of order and uniformity. I'm not kidding about the nasty part, either, with regard to medieval latin -- I worked through a couple of hundred 7th & 8th century Italian legal documents in Latin for my Master's -- ended up having to go to a Roman History prof for help with some of the latin, and even he had trouble -- said it was the worst latin he'd ever had to read. But for a knightly order, I'd think Church latin would fit best anyway...
Aug. 10th, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC)
C has some Latin skills - classical, not church.

for Greek, i bet Panos Marinos would give you a hand.
Aug. 10th, 2005 11:04 pm (UTC)
Panos is an excellent suggestion, thanks!
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Aug. 10th, 2005 11:06 pm (UTC)
Thanks, I'll drop a line. Rusty Latin beats my non-Latin, since I'm more a Germanic and Slavic languages sort.
Aug. 10th, 2005 10:10 pm (UTC)
Andy and i have a friend who's Italian and fluent enough he should be able to assist with translation. If there's anything you'd like us to pass along to him, just drop me an email.
Aug. 10th, 2005 11:04 pm (UTC)
Will do! I'll compile sometime in the next week or two. It's not very much, honestly.

Thanks for volunteering your friend.
Aug. 10th, 2005 11:19 pm (UTC)
Wolf, a good friend of mine is a classical scholar -- he just finished his Masters in Classics last year, and he knows his Greek & Latin very well.

Drop me a line and I'll give you some contact info.
Aug. 11th, 2005 12:06 am (UTC)
Thanks, expect a request soon.
Aug. 11th, 2005 11:59 am (UTC)
You do know that you used to work with a professor of Latin, yes? Last time I saw you was at his house for a holiday party before I disappeared into the eastern woods. ;) Give Peter a call, man.
Aug. 11th, 2005 02:41 pm (UTC)
You know, I always thought he was a professor of history. Silly me. Thanks!
Aug. 11th, 2005 03:32 pm (UTC)
De nada. Glad to be a help.

So this book you're agenting--is it the one I just found 2-3 chapters from 2002 in my old hard drive? [Filed under Green Muse work...]

Aug. 11th, 2005 07:23 pm (UTC)
Probably; there are only two books in circulation at the moment. The chapters have changed rather a lot; the majority of this book was written from February to May of this year.
Aug. 11th, 2005 12:41 pm (UTC)
If your leads don't pan out, my father works for a school where they still teach Classical Greek and Latin. (Medieval Latin is a bit of an odd duck, but not too hard to figure out.) This sounds like an intriguing project....
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